abn deuce Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 (edited) a couple of photo's of remote control Goliath's French caption Des soldats britanniques du personnel de plage avec trois mini-véhicules tactiques chenillés. Il s'agit de tank allemand miniature, téléguidé par fil et bourré de 60 kg d'explosifs destinés à abattre des fortifications adverses. Codifié : SdKfz. 302 "Goliath E-Motor" (E pour électrique, deux moteurs un par chenille) de la famille Ladungsträger (engin porteur de charge) utilisé comme mine mobile anti-débarquement, autre nom Springer En arrière plan un camion AEC Matador et à gauche un Dukw. Le mini tank Goliath est visible également sur la p012602 à Utah et p012970 secteur Omaha French caption Des sapeurs américains manipulent des mini-véhicules tactiques chenillés dans une pâture. Tank allemand miniature, téléguidé par fil dont on voit le rouleau sous le capot ouvert et bourré de 60 kg d'explosifs destinés à abattre des fortifications adverses. Il s'agit d'un "Goliath E-Motor" (E pour électrique, deux moteurs un par chenille) " utilisé comme mine mobile anti-débarquement, autre nom Springer Nom allemand : SdKfz 302 de la famille Ladungsträger (engin porteur de charge) voi r : p012602 et p012953 La censure a maquillé les casques des soldats mais on reconnaît l'arc de cercle blanc des 5th et 6th Engineer Special Brigade (ESB) du secteur d'Omaha Au pied d'un blockhaus et de piles de sacs de sables épars, un tank allemand miniature, filo-guidé et bourré de 60 kg d'explosifs destinés à abattre des fortifications adverses. Il s'agit d'un "Goliath E-Motor" (E pour électrique, deux moteurs un par chenille) utilisé comme mine mobile anti-débarquement. Nom allemand : SdKfz 302 de la famille Ladungsträger (engin porteur de charge) autre nom Springer construit à 2650 exemplaires environ, d'une efficacité douteuse Edited May 17, 2008 by abn deuce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 didn't these cause panic at Monte Cassino? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Bovingtons got one of these, Im sure. Werent they for UXB or mine clearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashley Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Bovingtons got one of these, Im sure. Werent they for UXB or mine clearance? Rick, these were guided by wires into enemy lines (strongholds m.g. nest etc) or towards armoured vehicles (light ? ) as opposed to demo/mine fields Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Rick, these were guided by wires into enemy lines (strongholds m.g. nest etc) or towards armoured vehicles (light ? ) as opposed to demo/mine fields Ashley Spot on Ash and Andy, yes there is one at Bovy, saw one a couple of weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Spot on Ash and Andy, yes there is one at Bovy, saw one a couple of weeks ago. Just at the end of this video http://www.hmvftv.com/5574250dabe07151bdc2.video?-Buffalo-and-Weasel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Would be interesting to make a replica of one of these,............good for living history purposes.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Another trick was Roll bombs, heavy artillery shells hung over fortifications walls. Pull fusing wire and drop. Goliath was originally designed as an anti bunker weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn deuce Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 True , they sufferer numerous failures from the control wires breaking which unreeled from the back and from poor batteries which ran out of power before they got close to targets. Still a nasty beast if you were underfire and one of those was headed your way with its load of explosives from what I recall of them being written about in books, but could be corrected . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashley Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 From what i recall this was actually a French idea, when the Germans invaded in 1940 the company which made the prototype (a well known company which made halftrack cars/trucks ) threw it in to a lake. Recovered by the Germans who studied and bettered the design in to the Goliath. Several other vehicles ([read tanks], minenraumwagen) were used ,eg one known as the Springer (i am sure there is also one of these at Bovvy) Though initially electrically driven with a capacity to carry 65kg`s of explosives there were several design variants the final type i believe was driven by a NSU two stroke engine with a carrying capacity of 75kg`s of explosive. From the top of me `ead but actually quite an interesting life story for this small MV. Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Bit of a story here about them http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/demolitionvehicles/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Would be interesting to make a replica of one of these,............good for living history purposes.............. Given the size it shouldnt be too hard, the tricky bit would be the tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn deuce Posted December 16, 2007 Author Share Posted December 16, 2007 thanks for the link , adds a bit more to its history , good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Given the size it shouldnt be too hard, the tricky bit would be the tracks. Yes,.......have come to the same conclusion, looking at some pic's;........... :roll: One to keep in mind, though..................always fancied something radio controlled. :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn deuce Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share Posted December 17, 2007 if you build a replica it could be radio controlled....a project for those guys who built robots for the TV show Robot Wars? , but the originals were wire controlled . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 if you build a replica it could be radio controlled....a project for those guys who built robots for the TV show Robot Wars? , but the originals were wire controlled . As we have seen in this thread, the original was a one-shot weapon and prone to failure due to broken wires. However I doubt anyone who makes a replica will intend to turn it into a smoking hole at the end of the display. Whay I would be tempted to do is use something like Don 10 or steel-cored washing line to represent the command wires, whilst actually controlling it by radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Yup, I know;................just thinking about the saftey aspect, esp atshows, with it moving about;.......don't want any dozzy plonker tripping over trailing wire.............. :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martylee Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/martylee74/IMG_1886.jpg[/img] Forsvarsmuseet in Oslo, Norway. Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn deuce Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 Interesting Marty must be the later model spoken of in the article with a gas engine !I don't recall ever seeing a photo of one ....Thank you for posting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I was about to ask what powered them , batteries or engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn deuce Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 German Federal Archives photo , gas engine model ? caption :More easily charge carrier (V-engine) " Goliath" (Sd.Kfz.303a, equipment 671 or Sd.Kfz.303b, equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyslancs Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 another pic ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashley Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Hi al, i am surprised that they who make the large scale tanks etc have not had ago. On a side note we demoed a tracked wood chipper to day ....remote control with a range apparently of up to 200 meters befor the engine cut out with the weakened signal. Gave a crowd of people a fright as it drove down the road (whilst i sat in the van) and stopped at a bus stop before pulling away again and loading it self on to a trailer :-D Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 The Goliath at the tank museum Bovington could be a runner with a bit of work, John/Colin Pearson and myself had a look at it in 2008 we think it would run. Big Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Hi al,i am surprised that they who make the large scale tanks etc have not had ago. On a side note we demoed a tracked wood chipper to day ....remote control with a range apparently of up to 200 meters befor the engine cut out with the weakened signal. Gave a crowd of people a fright as it drove down the road (whilst i sat in the van) and stopped at a bus stop before pulling away again and loading it self on to a trailer :-D Ashley Is it now possible to take your H licence whilst sat in a van then? :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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